Comments on: Relson Gracie's Comments on Our Last Show http://thefightworkspodcast.com/2009/11/26/relson-gracie/ Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Submission Grappling News and Podcast Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:42:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Egon http://thefightworkspodcast.com/2009/11/26/relson-gracie/comment-page-1/#comment-3638 Egon Sat, 05 Feb 2011 16:55:15 +0000 http://thefightworkspodcast.com/?p=3859#comment-3638 I´d like to see the description from the master Renzo´s interview / answer to this false and folklorical story from master Relson. It´s kind of family trouble but Renzo shows lies they have told since teacher Carlos Gracie has gone. Sensei Rickson is also a good athlete, competitor but this story he was invencible is simple folklore in RJ and no one serious never believe on this. Ossssssssss!!! I´d like to see the description from the master Renzo´s interview / answer to this false and folklorical story from master Relson. It´s kind of family trouble but Renzo shows lies they have told since teacher Carlos Gracie has gone. Sensei Rickson is also a good athlete, competitor but this story he was invencible is simple folklore in RJ and no one serious never believe on this. Ossssssssss!!!

]]> By: michael http://thefightworkspodcast.com/2009/11/26/relson-gracie/comment-page-1/#comment-2604 michael Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:57:44 +0000 http://thefightworkspodcast.com/?p=3859#comment-2604 Relson, like Helio, has put much less emphasis on jiu-jitsu competition, thus you don't see his students around competing as much--. The problem with some of the nay-sayers above (particularly Joe) is that they seem to be having alternate conversations from the conversation Relson is having. Relson does not refer to whether a technique works in JIU JITSU COMPETITION, he is referring to whether it would work in a real life (in his opinion), in a do or die scenario in the street. Relson proved the effectiveness of his jiu-jitsu in the streets, not in the ring, where there are rules, time limits, weight classes, etc. Just because Eddie Bravo taps Royler ONE time in competition, that means nothing. If I drop you in the desert and tell you I'm coming back tomorrow, you will wait for me patiently. If I drop you there and tell you so long, fend for yourself, you will move and actively try to get out of the situation you're in. the same applies for a fight where there are rules and time limits-- it does not accurately portray how a street scenario plays out, and you had better be sure the fancy competition techniques you use will work when some 290 pound guy is trying to stop your head off at the beach or in some club, because there is no ref there to save you. Many a jiu-jitsu competitor has tried to pull guard in the streets only to get his head smashed on the concrete. That is only one example of the concept at work. I don't think Relson is trying to take anything away from other academies, but he is simply making the point that real life is real life, and sports are sports, and he wants to preserve the REAL LIFE APPLICABLE techniques his father worked so hard to create--never has anything on earth empowered small men so boldly against the big and the strong. Relson, like Helio, has put much less emphasis on jiu-jitsu competition, thus you don’t see his students around competing as much–. The problem with some of the nay-sayers above (particularly Joe) is that they seem to be having alternate conversations from the conversation Relson is having.
Relson does not refer to whether a technique works in JIU JITSU COMPETITION, he is referring to whether it would work in a real life (in his opinion), in a do or die scenario in the street. Relson proved the effectiveness of his jiu-jitsu in the streets, not in the ring, where there are rules, time limits, weight classes, etc. Just because Eddie Bravo taps Royler ONE time in competition, that means nothing.
If I drop you in the desert and tell you I’m coming back tomorrow, you will wait for me patiently. If I drop you there and tell you so long, fend for yourself, you will move and actively try to get out of the situation you’re in. the same applies for a fight where there are rules and time limits– it does not accurately portray how a street scenario plays out, and you had better be sure the fancy competition techniques you use will work when some 290 pound guy is trying to stop your head off at the beach or in some club, because there is no ref there to save you.

Many a jiu-jitsu competitor has tried to pull guard in the streets only to get his head smashed on the concrete. That is only one example of the concept at work.
I don’t think Relson is trying to take anything away from other academies, but he is simply making the point that real life is real life, and sports are sports, and he wants to preserve the REAL LIFE APPLICABLE techniques his father worked so hard to create–never has anything on earth empowered small men so boldly against the big and the strong.

]]> By: Joe http://thefightworkspodcast.com/2009/11/26/relson-gracie/comment-page-1/#comment-1832 Joe Thu, 04 Feb 2010 03:29:29 +0000 http://thefightworkspodcast.com/?p=3859#comment-1832 Relson, Rorion (the sell out), and the Gracie Academy are hanging on to false history and won't evolve. They are turning Gracie Jiu Jitsu into Kung Fu. I am losing respect for the "real jiu jitsu" crap as jiu jitsu evolves. I guess Marcelo Garcia and the x guard does not work, nor does Eddie Bravo (JJ Machado / Gracie Barra) tapping Royler, etc. Only Rickson has his kid step it up, and he is learning the hard way that jiu jitsu has evolved. Relson, Rorion (the sell out), and the Gracie Academy are hanging on to false history and won’t evolve. They are turning Gracie Jiu Jitsu into Kung Fu. I am losing respect for the “real jiu jitsu” crap as jiu jitsu evolves.

I guess Marcelo Garcia and the x guard does not work, nor does Eddie Bravo (JJ Machado / Gracie Barra) tapping Royler, etc.

Only Rickson has his kid step it up, and he is learning the hard way that jiu jitsu has evolved.

]]> By: Isaiah Moraes http://thefightworkspodcast.com/2009/11/26/relson-gracie/comment-page-1/#comment-302 Isaiah Moraes Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:35:52 +0000 http://thefightworkspodcast.com/?p=3859#comment-302 again with corretions !! rsThank you very much for this issue! Relson is right according to some articles and a book made by someone from the family, but this book also has another direction, giving more credits to Carlos, Rolls, etc . I respect all of them but I don´t like when someone says "Helio created everything”, Royce (a great guy!) once said to a TV program in Brazil ( on a possibility of Olympic games in RJ in 2002) - “My father (Helio) created this…) . It´s wrong!!!! Helio Gracie was 100% against the competions of BJJ because he said that his JJ "wasn´t sport but self-defense, and the JJ sport was made for strong guys without skills to beat the weak ones with skills”. It seems that after Carlos Graice´s death both family got somehow sepated. Let´s wait for the opinions from Renzo on this interview. Renzo is the greatest Graice!!! at 42 still wants to prove his JJ at UFC, and diferently from others who says- “i finish Fedor in seconds, i beat that one, Lesnar in minutes…” kkkkk but never goes to the Octagonon!! rsrs Renzo is the man because he does what he says!!!!! again with corretions !! rsThank you very much for this issue! Relson is right according to some articles and a book made by someone from the family, but this book also has another direction, giving more credits to Carlos, Rolls, etc .
I respect all of them but I don´t like when someone says “Helio created everything”, Royce (a great guy!) once said to a TV program in Brazil ( on a possibility of Olympic games in RJ in 2002) – “My father (Helio) created this…) . It´s wrong!!!! Helio Gracie was 100% against the competions of BJJ because he said that his JJ “wasn´t sport but self-defense, and the JJ sport was made for strong guys without skills to beat the weak ones with skills”. It seems that after Carlos Graice´s death both family got somehow sepated. Let´s wait for the opinions from Renzo on this interview. Renzo is the greatest Graice!!! at 42 still wants to prove his JJ at UFC, and diferently from others who says- “i finish Fedor in seconds, i beat that one, Lesnar in minutes…” kkkkk but never goes to the Octagonon!! rsrs Renzo is the man because he does what he says!!!!!

]]> By: Isaiah Moraes http://thefightworkspodcast.com/2009/11/26/relson-gracie/comment-page-1/#comment-301 Isaiah Moraes Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:30:48 +0000 http://thefightworkspodcast.com/?p=3859#comment-301 Thank you very much for this issue! Relson is right according to some articles and a book made by someone from the family, but also this book has another direction, giving more credits to Carlos, Rolls, etc . I respect all of them but I don´t like when someone "says Helio created everything", Royce (a great guy!) once said to a TV program in Brazil on a possibility of Olympic games in RJ in 2002- "My father (Helio) created this...) . It´s wrong!!!! He was 100% against the competions of BJJ because he said that his " JJ wasn´t sport but self-defense, and the JJ sport was made for strong guys without skills to beat the weak ones with skills" . It seems that after Carlos Graice death both family got somehow separed. Let´s way for the opinios from Renzo, the greates Graice!!! at 42 still wants to prove his JJ and diferently from others who says- "i finish him in seconds, i beat that one in minutes..." but never goes to the Octagonon!! rsrs Renzo is the man because he does what he says!!!!! Thank you very much for this issue! Relson is right according to some articles and a book made by someone from the family, but also this book has another direction, giving more credits to Carlos, Rolls, etc . I respect all of them but I don´t like when someone “says Helio created everything”, Royce (a great guy!) once said to a TV program in Brazil on a possibility of Olympic games in RJ in 2002- “My father (Helio) created this…) . It´s wrong!!!! He was 100% against the competions of BJJ because he said that his ” JJ wasn´t sport but self-defense, and the JJ sport was made for strong guys without skills to beat the weak ones with skills” . It seems that after Carlos Graice death both family got somehow separed. Let´s way for the opinios from Renzo, the greates Graice!!! at 42 still wants to prove his JJ and diferently from others who says- “i finish him in seconds, i beat that one in minutes…” but never goes to the Octagonon!! rsrs Renzo is the man because he does what he says!!!!!

]]> By: josh barbosa http://thefightworkspodcast.com/2009/11/26/relson-gracie/comment-page-1/#comment-300 josh barbosa Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:48:23 +0000 http://thefightworkspodcast.com/?p=3859#comment-300 Relson is an old guy with old habits, BJJ is a science that continue to progress day by day, one the reason is the competion, by rolling and sharing people can discover new ways to do things, to hold on in tradition, is just plain stupid. Look at the traditional martial arts; they still doing katas and doing things that they will never use in a real situation just because is 1000 years old you not suppose to change? Or just because Helio gracie said this or that. you have to follow, You see like many human invention, BJJ will change everyday and get better 10 years from now, you will look back and say; wow they did what back them??? This is just the beginning, science is taking over, new ways to work the human body, and for the old teacher stuck in time, this will be painfull to see. Myamoto Musashi in his book of five rings he wroute: '' it's impossivel to understand the universse by studying just one planet" and so it is with martial arts. JOSH BARBOSA BJJ, JUDO PLAYER Relson is an old guy with old habits, BJJ is a science that continue to progress day by day, one the reason is the competion, by rolling and sharing people can discover new ways to do things, to hold on in tradition, is just plain stupid.

Look at the traditional martial arts; they still doing katas and doing things that they will never use in a real situation just because is 1000 years old you not suppose to change? Or just because Helio gracie said this or that. you have to follow, You see like many human invention, BJJ will change everyday and get better 10 years from now, you will look back and say; wow they did what back them??? This is just the beginning, science is taking over, new ways to work the human body, and for the old teacher stuck in time, this will be painfull to see.
Myamoto Musashi in his book of five rings he wroute: ” it’s impossivel to understand the universse by studying just one planet” and so it is with martial arts.

JOSH BARBOSA
BJJ, JUDO PLAYER

]]> By: Chris http://thefightworkspodcast.com/2009/11/26/relson-gracie/comment-page-1/#comment-298 Chris Sun, 06 Dec 2009 23:13:58 +0000 http://thefightworkspodcast.com/?p=3859#comment-298 Interesting comments from Relson. In my opinion, I think that Relson's comments regarding Roger aren't accurate. First and foremost, if you learn BJJ from Carlos Gracie Jr., one of the first things you'll notice is the primacy that he places on having a competent mount and this is especially apparent when you roll with him. The " pass-mount-choke" strategy that Roger employs is very similar to the kind of game Carlos plays and teaches; almost identical. Second, I don't know if Roger's game is the Helio Gracie style; I think it's the Roger style. He has found a game that suits his abilities and strengths and he excels at it. And I think that's what this conversation should be about. Open guard variations (x-guard, spider, butterfly) suit people differently and they are tools to accomplish the same ends as a closed guard. To dismiss them all as being useless techniques because Helio Gracie never used them doesn't do Relson any credit. BJJ like everything evolves and doesn't end with Helio Gracie. Thanks for the great shows Caleb and Dan. Interesting comments from Relson. In my opinion, I think that Relson’s comments regarding Roger aren’t accurate. First and foremost, if you learn BJJ from Carlos Gracie Jr., one of the first things you’ll notice is the primacy that he places on having a competent mount and this is especially apparent when you roll with him. The ” pass-mount-choke” strategy that Roger employs is very similar to the kind of game Carlos plays and teaches; almost identical.

Second, I don’t know if Roger’s game is the Helio Gracie style; I think it’s the Roger style. He has found a game that suits his abilities and strengths and he excels at it. And I think that’s what this conversation should be about. Open guard variations (x-guard, spider, butterfly) suit people differently and they are tools to accomplish the same ends as a closed guard. To dismiss them all as being useless techniques because Helio Gracie never used them doesn’t do Relson any credit. BJJ like everything evolves and doesn’t end with Helio Gracie.

Thanks for the great shows Caleb and Dan.

]]> By: Kyle http://thefightworkspodcast.com/2009/11/26/relson-gracie/comment-page-1/#comment-297 Kyle Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:51:55 +0000 http://thefightworkspodcast.com/?p=3859#comment-297 Ulpiano- Daniel Moraes is a Relson/Royler gracie black belt that has won in gi and no-gi at the black belt level in Pan Ams, Worlds, Arnolds's. Ulpiano- Daniel Moraes is a Relson/Royler gracie black belt that has won in gi and no-gi at the black belt level in Pan Ams, Worlds, Arnolds’s.

]]> By: ulpiano http://thefightworkspodcast.com/2009/11/26/relson-gracie/comment-page-1/#comment-296 ulpiano Thu, 03 Dec 2009 05:05:29 +0000 http://thefightworkspodcast.com/?p=3859#comment-296 i have great respect for relson but im a black belt under carlos gracie and i beleave relson make some mistakes on this intreview because i never see one guy from his school or any of the schools he mentions ( still have the real gracie jiujitsu) made one world champion on black belt division so i think the results answer any questions. i have great respect for relson but im a black belt under carlos gracie and i beleave relson make some mistakes on this intreview because i never see one guy from his school or any of the schools he mentions ( still have the real gracie jiujitsu) made one world champion on black belt division so i think the results answer any questions.

]]> By: patrick http://thefightworkspodcast.com/2009/11/26/relson-gracie/comment-page-1/#comment-294 patrick Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:12:12 +0000 http://thefightworkspodcast.com/?p=3859#comment-294 Thanks for the transcribe! I downloaded the show and did a reading of the transcript while listening to the show! It was great to hear Relson's voice again! Thanks for the transcribe! I downloaded the show and did a reading of the transcript while listening to the show! It was great to hear Relson’s voice again!

]]> By: radamez85 http://thefightworkspodcast.com/2009/11/26/relson-gracie/comment-page-1/#comment-293 radamez85 Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:02:37 +0000 http://thefightworkspodcast.com/?p=3859#comment-293 Very powerful interview. Thank you Calen and Dan again for the great interviews! Relson cements whats in the book "The Gracie Way" for me. Very powerful interview.
Thank you Calen and Dan again for the great interviews!
Relson cements whats in the book “The Gracie Way” for me.

]]> By: Dion McGill http://thefightworkspodcast.com/2009/11/26/relson-gracie/comment-page-1/#comment-292 Dion McGill Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:06:22 +0000 http://thefightworkspodcast.com/?p=3859#comment-292 Thank you for that transcription. I will definitely listen to the full interview soon. I loved this because it shed light on what functions both Carlos and Helio served in the early birth of BJJ. I also like the light he sheds on exactly what is meant when I often hear "pure Gracie Jiu Jitsu" as opposed to further evoutions of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Thank you much!!! Thank you for that transcription. I will definitely listen to the full interview soon. I loved this because it shed light on what functions both Carlos and Helio served in the early birth of BJJ. I also like the light he sheds on exactly what is meant when I often hear “pure Gracie Jiu Jitsu” as opposed to further evoutions of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Thank you much!!!

]]> By: Phil migliarese http://thefightworkspodcast.com/2009/11/26/relson-gracie/comment-page-1/#comment-291 Phil migliarese Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:31:56 +0000 http://thefightworkspodcast.com/?p=3859#comment-291 What a great interview! I have heard these stories before. It is nice to know that the world hears them now :) What a great interview! I have heard these stories before. It is nice to know that the world hears them now :)

]]> By: sadiq daniels http://thefightworkspodcast.com/2009/11/26/relson-gracie/comment-page-1/#comment-290 sadiq daniels Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:04:14 +0000 http://thefightworkspodcast.com/?p=3859#comment-290 wow this was a great interview.i see that simplicity wins all the time.master santos is our master and it feels good to be in great hands....osssss wow this was a great interview.i see that simplicity wins all the time.master santos is our master and it feels good to be in great hands….osssss

]]> By: Benjie "Monstro" Cruz http://thefightworkspodcast.com/2009/11/26/relson-gracie/comment-page-1/#comment-289 Benjie "Monstro" Cruz Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:20:55 +0000 http://thefightworkspodcast.com/?p=3859#comment-289 Incredible interview. Incredible interview.

]]> By: Meerkatsu http://thefightworkspodcast.com/2009/11/26/relson-gracie/comment-page-1/#comment-288 Meerkatsu Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:54:17 +0000 http://thefightworkspodcast.com/?p=3859#comment-288 Really enjoyed that! Thanks for transcribing, well worth the effort. Really enjoyed that!
Thanks for transcribing, well worth the effort.

]]> By: Trey http://thefightworkspodcast.com/2009/11/26/relson-gracie/comment-page-1/#comment-287 Trey Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:32:32 +0000 http://thefightworkspodcast.com/?p=3859#comment-287 One of my favorite episodes ever. I really enjoyed the round table discussion at the beginning and end of the show. One of my favorite episodes ever. I really enjoyed the round table discussion at the beginning and end of the show.

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